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		<title>By: alsolikelife</title>
		<link>http://alsolikelife.com/shooting/2009/02/954-96-starship-troopers-1997-paul-verhoeven/comment-page-1/#comment-36370</link>
		<dc:creator>alsolikelife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts. I haven&#039;t read the book, I&#039;ve just seen the movie and read reviews of the book (both favorable and unfavorable). Would you happen to know what was the demographic breakdown of soldiers/veterans and non-veterans as reflected in the book? I couldn&#039;t get a sense of what percentage it was in the movie - all that were depicted were soldiers from what I remember. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with you that any sort of &quot;governing class&quot; is bound to exploit its privileges to lead to severe inequalities among the people. The current US democratic system isn&#039;t immune to this either, though at least in US society there are opportunities for lower class citizens to improve their social standing through economic gain. Not ideal but better than most I&#039;d say - at least it worked for my immigrant family.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts. I haven&#39;t read the book, I&#39;ve just seen the movie and read reviews of the book (both favorable and unfavorable). Would you happen to know what was the demographic breakdown of soldiers/veterans and non-veterans as reflected in the book? I couldn&#39;t get a sense of what percentage it was in the movie &#8211; all that were depicted were soldiers from what I remember. </p>
<p>I agree with you that any sort of &#8220;governing class&#8221; is bound to exploit its privileges to lead to severe inequalities among the people. The current US democratic system isn&#39;t immune to this either, though at least in US society there are opportunities for lower class citizens to improve their social standing through economic gain. Not ideal but better than most I&#39;d say &#8211; at least it worked for my immigrant family.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Galt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wesley Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but see the movie as an attempt to be faithful both to the premises of &quot;Starship Trooper&quot;&#039;s society, as given in the book, but also to how they would really play out.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In a democracy, we are not given the vote because we are responsible, or reasonable, or know what civilisation &#039;costs&#039;; rather, we are given the vote because we are subject to the laws.  To the extent that our society is in deep trouble, I believe it is to the extent that our laws are made by the owners of large amounts of property---actual people legislating and lobby, in the latter case often for unnatural &#039;persons&#039; created by the State and so with a great interest in controlling it.  They make laws which are often better for them than for the rest of us.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t believe that a society in which it seems like mostly military veterans constitute the electorate would long hold true to values and make decisions that would seem reasonable to the non-voting majority.  It is in fact _emphasised_ that the veteran is a very different sort of person from the non-veteran; this is presented as evidence for his (and in the book, much more so than in the movie, it is overwhelmingly &#039;his&#039;) superior ability to govern, but can also be seen as the seed of this system&#039;s not working, at least as a representative democracy.  I find it hard to believe that veterans wouldn&#039;t largely be the children of other veterans---they would have been raised with the values emphasising military service&#039;s value and rightness, and (as importantly) would understand the ins and outs of service, particularly how to survive Boot intact.  I think the veterans would quickly become functionally equivalent to an aristocracy, simultaneously resented and aped, and prone to flaunting the laws because those laws would have been made for a general population whom they believe to be, in the end, not as good as they.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if the hereditary possibility were discounted, I think the essential point remains:  the veteran is trumpetted as being a very different type of person from the shirker of his duties...as such, he is in fact unsuited to being the sole sort of person making laws and decisions for all.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(Heinlein said that he wanted to say that 95% of veterans were non-military servers, but fails at conveying this in the book, so it is fair to read it this way---non-military service is given short shrift, and no real sense of its prevalence is conveyed.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#39;t help but see the movie as an attempt to be faithful both to the premises of &#8220;Starship Trooper&#8221;&#39;s society, as given in the book, but also to how they would really play out.</p>
<p>In a democracy, we are not given the vote because we are responsible, or reasonable, or know what civilisation &#39;costs&#39;; rather, we are given the vote because we are subject to the laws.  To the extent that our society is in deep trouble, I believe it is to the extent that our laws are made by the owners of large amounts of property&#8212;actual people legislating and lobby, in the latter case often for unnatural &#39;persons&#39; created by the State and so with a great interest in controlling it.  They make laws which are often better for them than for the rest of us.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t believe that a society in which it seems like mostly military veterans constitute the electorate would long hold true to values and make decisions that would seem reasonable to the non-voting majority.  It is in fact _emphasised_ that the veteran is a very different sort of person from the non-veteran; this is presented as evidence for his (and in the book, much more so than in the movie, it is overwhelmingly &#39;his&#39;) superior ability to govern, but can also be seen as the seed of this system&#39;s not working, at least as a representative democracy.  I find it hard to believe that veterans wouldn&#39;t largely be the children of other veterans&#8212;they would have been raised with the values emphasising military service&#39;s value and rightness, and (as importantly) would understand the ins and outs of service, particularly how to survive Boot intact.  I think the veterans would quickly become functionally equivalent to an aristocracy, simultaneously resented and aped, and prone to flaunting the laws because those laws would have been made for a general population whom they believe to be, in the end, not as good as they.  </p>
<p>Even if the hereditary possibility were discounted, I think the essential point remains:  the veteran is trumpetted as being a very different type of person from the shirker of his duties&#8230;as such, he is in fact unsuited to being the sole sort of person making laws and decisions for all.</p>
<p>(Heinlein said that he wanted to say that 95% of veterans were non-military servers, but fails at conveying this in the book, so it is fair to read it this way&#8212;non-military service is given short shrift, and no real sense of its prevalence is conveyed.)</p>
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		<title>By: skin care</title>
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		<dc:creator>skin care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it is..  Before ten years no one has seen such a wonderful film like this with extreme CG.. So it got a great result.. But now many films are beating it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is..  Before ten years no one has seen such a wonderful film like this with extreme CG.. So it got a great result.. But now many films are beating it..</p>
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		<title>By: Miki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the review i absolutely love this movie.&lt;br&gt;love the action , love the gore and love the story . i adore Verhoeven for given us such a cult hit like Starship Troopers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the review i absolutely love this movie.<br />love the action , love the gore and love the story . i adore Verhoeven for given us such a cult hit like Starship Troopers.</p>
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		<dc:creator>bdsm cartoon pics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Trooper Killed North Carolina Starship Troopers Miniatures Isuzu Trooper Suspension &#124; Highlandfarms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trooper Killed North Carolina Starship Troopers Miniatures Isuzu Trooper Suspension &#124; Highlandfarms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Star Trooper Ride Texas Dps Trooper Training South Georgia Trooper Wreck &#124; Victorycamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Star Trooper Ride Texas Dps Trooper Training South Georgia Trooper Wreck &#124; Victorycamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Trek 797: Dinosaur PlanetAdvanced Fiction Writing Blog » Blog Archive » The Secret of &#8230; BikePortland.org » Blog Archive » In-Depth: Where bikes and &#8230; Shooting Down Pictures » Blog Archive » 954 (96). Starship &#8230; Stormtrooper ArmorKWES NewsWest [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Angel Glez.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel Glez.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review, great work with the references, congratulations Kevin!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I love the movie (something like a satirical Riefenstahl in the Hollywood of the 90s) and I nominated it last year for Lee Price&#039;s Doubling the Canon (by the way we miss you here), but CFB&#039;s regulars disagree. And now it is in the Canon!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;P.S.: Another outstanding fan of the movie is Dominique Païni.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review, great work with the references, congratulations Kevin!</p>
<p>I love the movie (something like a satirical Riefenstahl in the Hollywood of the 90s) and I nominated it last year for Lee Price&#39;s Doubling the Canon (by the way we miss you here), but CFB&#39;s regulars disagree. And now it is in the Canon!</p>
<p>P.S.: Another outstanding fan of the movie is Dominique Païni.</p>
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		<title>By: Attentiondeficitdisorderly Too Flat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attentiondeficitdisorderly Too Flat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Carnival of souls...&lt;/strong&gt;

* Today I popped up in a couple of interesting places on the Internet. For starters, there&#039;s the new comic by me and Matt Rota that I mentioned earlier, now playing at Top Shelf 2.0. * Next, I&#039;m the subject......</description>
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<p>* Today I popped up in a couple of interesting places on the Internet. For starters, there&#8217;s the new comic by me and Matt Rota that I mentioned earlier, now playing at Top Shelf 2.0. * Next, I&#8217;m the subject&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DeborahLipp</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeborahLipp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting point. When watching it, I thought it was obvious too, but then I noticed no one else seemed to get the joke. It&#039;s like, if you feed the audience a certain kind of candy, it makes them brain-dead to the satire. Candy in this case being guns and nude women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting point. When watching it, I thought it was obvious too, but then I noticed no one else seemed to get the joke. It&#39;s like, if you feed the audience a certain kind of candy, it makes them brain-dead to the satire. Candy in this case being guns and nude women.</p>
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