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	<title>Comments on: 911. Mashgh-e Shab / Homework (1989, Abbas Kiarostami)</title>
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		<title>By: biletul zilei</title>
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		<dc:creator>biletul zilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post!&lt;br&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: alsolikelife</title>
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		<dc:creator>alsolikelife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - yes I remember you from NYFF, glad to have you stop by.  

The print that played at MOMA was the same as yours - i.e. that notorious scene was cut and Lord knows how many others.  No idea why that is.  Maybe my girlfriend would know the right person to ask that question at MOMA... I&#039;ll look into it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; yes I remember you from NYFF, glad to have you stop by.  </p>
<p>The print that played at MOMA was the same as yours &#8211; i.e. that notorious scene was cut and Lord knows how many others.  No idea why that is.  Maybe my girlfriend would know the right person to ask that question at MOMA&#8230; I&#8217;ll look into it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings, fellows. I realize this is not a recent post, but in case anyone stumbles onto it, I wonder if any of the folks who saw &lt;i&gt;Homework&lt;/i&gt; in March at the MOMA remember some key scenes, such as the one where Kiarmostami cuts the sound. I ask because the retrospective moved eventually to the Pacific Film Archive in August where that scene and several others, possibly totally a dozen minutes, were missing from the exhibited print. No explanation or even awareness was expressed.

More recently the film played as part of the Kiarostami-Erice retro at the Centre Pompidou in Paris, and the edited print seems to have been shown there, too, (based on at least one report), although the Pompidou denies that the film has been altered. Twas ever thus.

There&#039;s a podcast and discussion thread at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.erratamag.com/archives/2007/08/abbas_kiarostam.html#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my site&lt;/a&gt;. Conspiracy theories abound, but I just want to see the original cut of the film -- I haven&#039;t -- and I&#039;m curious about where it&#039;s gone, that&#039;s all.

Thanks for any additional clues.

Cool post and cool site, Kevin. We met briefly at NYFF -- acquarello introduced us -- so I&#039;m glad to have a reason to touch base again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings, fellows. I realize this is not a recent post, but in case anyone stumbles onto it, I wonder if any of the folks who saw <i>Homework</i> in March at the MOMA remember some key scenes, such as the one where Kiarmostami cuts the sound. I ask because the retrospective moved eventually to the Pacific Film Archive in August where that scene and several others, possibly totally a dozen minutes, were missing from the exhibited print. No explanation or even awareness was expressed.</p>
<p>More recently the film played as part of the Kiarostami-Erice retro at the Centre Pompidou in Paris, and the edited print seems to have been shown there, too, (based on at least one report), although the Pompidou denies that the film has been altered. Twas ever thus.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a podcast and discussion thread at <a href="http://www.erratamag.com/archives/2007/08/abbas_kiarostam.html#comments" rel="nofollow">my site</a>. Conspiracy theories abound, but I just want to see the original cut of the film &#8212; I haven&#8217;t &#8212; and I&#8217;m curious about where it&#8217;s gone, that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>Thanks for any additional clues.</p>
<p>Cool post and cool site, Kevin. We met briefly at NYFF &#8212; acquarello introduced us &#8212; so I&#8217;m glad to have a reason to touch base again.</p>
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		<title>By: Shooting Down Pictures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Avaliha / First Graders (1984, Abbas Kiarostami)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shooting Down Pictures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Avaliha / First Graders (1984, Abbas Kiarostami)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - From Dan Sallitt&#8217;s comments on my Homework entry [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin - I guess that, for me, the ending doesn&#039;t so much develop the stated function of the film as collide with it.  In any case, I don&#039;t see any way to justify the style shift at the end in terms of an agenda of social inquiry.  Kiarostami could have hung out for a few more minutes and integrated that moment into the boy&#039;s social presentation - he seems not to have wanted to.

Even though FIRST GRADERS is clearly the other Kiarostami film with subject matter closest to HOMEWORK, I was struck at the structural similarities between HOMEWORK and ABC AFRICA.  Both start with a reflexive intro that establishes the director&#039;s mission; both contain the director&#039;s visual/verbal presence and occasional direct commentary; both accept and present evidence that might not perfectly illustrate the &quot;inscribed&quot; sociopolitical thesis; and both end with the film&#039;s most aestheticized sequence, shifting the stylistic terms of the piece.  By contrast, FIRST GRADERS dips from time to time into a &quot;fictional&quot; shot breakdown instead of a &quot;documentary&quot; shot breakdown; and the fictional elements don&#039;t really shift the terms of the piece - it&#039;s more as if they brush us back a bit, like a pitcher throwing an inside fastball to keep us from getting too comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin &#8211; I guess that, for me, the ending doesn&#8217;t so much develop the stated function of the film as collide with it.  In any case, I don&#8217;t see any way to justify the style shift at the end in terms of an agenda of social inquiry.  Kiarostami could have hung out for a few more minutes and integrated that moment into the boy&#8217;s social presentation &#8211; he seems not to have wanted to.</p>
<p>Even though FIRST GRADERS is clearly the other Kiarostami film with subject matter closest to HOMEWORK, I was struck at the structural similarities between HOMEWORK and ABC AFRICA.  Both start with a reflexive intro that establishes the director&#8217;s mission; both contain the director&#8217;s visual/verbal presence and occasional direct commentary; both accept and present evidence that might not perfectly illustrate the &#8220;inscribed&#8221; sociopolitical thesis; and both end with the film&#8217;s most aestheticized sequence, shifting the stylistic terms of the piece.  By contrast, FIRST GRADERS dips from time to time into a &#8220;fictional&#8221; shot breakdown instead of a &#8220;documentary&#8221; shot breakdown; and the fictional elements don&#8217;t really shift the terms of the piece &#8211; it&#8217;s more as if they brush us back a bit, like a pitcher throwing an inside fastball to keep us from getting too comfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: alsolikelife</title>
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		<dc:creator>alsolikelife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for checking in, Dan(s).  Dan S., there&#039;s certainly truth in your observation that the final moment seems to hint at a rich indication of the reserves of emotions and experience that even a withering closeup can never reveal unless the right conditions prevail.  I wonder then, how does that tie back into Kiarostami&#039;s initial motivation for doing the documentary, that is, understanding the social implications of homework on chilren?

Dan K, I plan to watch First Graders tomorrow.  that&#039;s a good observation on the ending -- you wonder if he did that establishing shot for every interview, or if he felt this one in particular merited a wide shot -- and if so, what was he thinking?  that this one deserved a more &quot;holistic&quot; visual to connect everyone together in one moment and/or account for everyone&#039;s place in it?  i don&#039;t know the answer, but i wouldn&#039;t underestimate his sheer intuition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for checking in, Dan(s).  Dan S., there&#8217;s certainly truth in your observation that the final moment seems to hint at a rich indication of the reserves of emotions and experience that even a withering closeup can never reveal unless the right conditions prevail.  I wonder then, how does that tie back into Kiarostami&#8217;s initial motivation for doing the documentary, that is, understanding the social implications of homework on chilren?</p>
<p>Dan K, I plan to watch First Graders tomorrow.  that&#8217;s a good observation on the ending &#8212; you wonder if he did that establishing shot for every interview, or if he felt this one in particular merited a wide shot &#8212; and if so, what was he thinking?  that this one deserved a more &#8220;holistic&#8221; visual to connect everyone together in one moment and/or account for everyone&#8217;s place in it?  i don&#8217;t know the answer, but i wouldn&#8217;t underestimate his sheer intuition.</p>
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		<title>By: phyrephox</title>
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		<dc:creator>phyrephox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great article on &lt;I&gt;Homework&lt;/i&gt;, Kevin.  I was constantly comparing it in my mind to Kiarostami&#039;s &lt;I&gt;First Graders&lt;/i&gt; which I also recently saw at the retrospective.  Both films are structured around interviews about events strictly off-screen, in this film homework done and what life is like at home, and in that film moments of violence or conflict between the students.  Although you seem to imply that it is &lt;I&gt;Homework&lt;/i&gt; that is about &quot;lies and half-truths&quot;, I see the earlier film as focusing more strictly on that storytelling element of the children, because for the content of the film it is almost irrelevant what the kids did that got them into the administrator&#039;s office, what is more important is how the students go about telling what happened, and how they themselves react to the administrator&#039;s prompting, punishment, and forced reconciliation.  In &lt;I&gt;Homework&lt;/i&gt;, on the other hand, Kiarostami is very much interested in the reality of the off-screen content as told by the students.

Also, to add a bit to the wonderful comments from you and Dan about the ending of &lt;I&gt;Homework&lt;/i&gt;, I wish to point out that in that sequence is one of the rare moments in the film that Kiarostami cuts to the camera angle outside of the shot/reverse-shot of interviewee and interviewer/camera, showing both Kiarostami and his camera and sound crew and the child in a single, long two-shot.  Does this make the sequence seem more staged?  I&#039;m not sure I have an answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great article on <i>Homework</i>, Kevin.  I was constantly comparing it in my mind to Kiarostami&#8217;s <i>First Graders</i> which I also recently saw at the retrospective.  Both films are structured around interviews about events strictly off-screen, in this film homework done and what life is like at home, and in that film moments of violence or conflict between the students.  Although you seem to imply that it is <i>Homework</i> that is about &#8220;lies and half-truths&#8221;, I see the earlier film as focusing more strictly on that storytelling element of the children, because for the content of the film it is almost irrelevant what the kids did that got them into the administrator&#8217;s office, what is more important is how the students go about telling what happened, and how they themselves react to the administrator&#8217;s prompting, punishment, and forced reconciliation.  In <i>Homework</i>, on the other hand, Kiarostami is very much interested in the reality of the off-screen content as told by the students.</p>
<p>Also, to add a bit to the wonderful comments from you and Dan about the ending of <i>Homework</i>, I wish to point out that in that sequence is one of the rare moments in the film that Kiarostami cuts to the camera angle outside of the shot/reverse-shot of interviewee and interviewer/camera, showing both Kiarostami and his camera and sound crew and the child in a single, long two-shot.  Does this make the sequence seem more staged?  I&#8217;m not sure I have an answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dan seemed to suggest that it was a moment of transcendence, all of the tension and coercive technique giving way to a moment where the child embraces the tools of expression imposed on him and finds a moment of ecstasy.&quot;

Just a slight adjustment to my reaction: I wouldn&#039;t exactly say that the child was experiencing ecstasy.  I&#039;d say that the child&#039;s breathless delivery of the religious poem had something of the appearance of ecstasy; and that Kiarostami perceived this and used formal elements (music especially, but also rhythm and the abruptness of the freeze-frame ending) to create an experience for the viewer that was redolent of ecstasy.  And that we can superimpose this experience onto the mystery of this child (about whom we know very little, and who surprises us with this bold piece of recitation, given that we had heretofore seen little more than crippling fear and an inability to communicate), attribute the ecstasy to the child if we want, not as an accurate indication of his internal state, but as a kind of metaphor for the range of emotions that lie beyond what we can perceive of people in such a documentary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dan seemed to suggest that it was a moment of transcendence, all of the tension and coercive technique giving way to a moment where the child embraces the tools of expression imposed on him and finds a moment of ecstasy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just a slight adjustment to my reaction: I wouldn&#8217;t exactly say that the child was experiencing ecstasy.  I&#8217;d say that the child&#8217;s breathless delivery of the religious poem had something of the appearance of ecstasy; and that Kiarostami perceived this and used formal elements (music especially, but also rhythm and the abruptness of the freeze-frame ending) to create an experience for the viewer that was redolent of ecstasy.  And that we can superimpose this experience onto the mystery of this child (about whom we know very little, and who surprises us with this bold piece of recitation, given that we had heretofore seen little more than crippling fear and an inability to communicate), attribute the ecstasy to the child if we want, not as an accurate indication of his internal state, but as a kind of metaphor for the range of emotions that lie beyond what we can perceive of people in such a documentary.</p>
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